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SSG Gauntlet
Topic Started: Jul 9 2018, 01:00 AM (461 Views)
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This one may be controversial just by the nature of it but if Goku hypothetically were to do the ritual at these points in time could he win against the following opponents?

SSG Goku(BoDB) vs Final Form Freeza(50%)
SSG Goku(BoZ) vs Perfect Form Cell(vs Goku)
SSG Goku Saiyan Arc vs Kid Buu
SSG Goku(Just Landed on Namek) vs Buuhan
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Imo, he would clear. I tend to believe it's a set level of power. It's really hard to know for sure since Goku is the only one who has done this.
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Jul 9 2018, 01:09 AM
Imo, he would clear. I tend to believe it's a set level of power. It's really hard to know for sure since Goku is the only one who has done this.
But wouldn't that mean that SSG BoG=SSG ToP?
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Goku ain't taking a win in any of these scenarios.
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I think he loses against Cell and Buuhan but wins the other two
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Jul 9 2018, 01:19 AM
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Jul 9 2018, 01:09 AM
Imo, he would clear. I tend to believe it's a set level of power. It's really hard to know for sure since Goku is the only one who has done this.
But wouldn't that mean that SSG BoG=SSG ToP?
No, I meant through ritual only.
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Jul 9 2018, 01:31 AM
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Jul 9 2018, 01:19 AM
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Jul 9 2018, 01:09 AM
Imo, he would clear. I tend to believe it's a set level of power. It's really hard to know for sure since Goku is the only one who has done this.
But wouldn't that mean that SSG BoG=SSG ToP?
No, I meant through ritual only.
Oh ok I am picking up what you are laying down.
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I think he makes it up to Buuhan before losing. The transition from Saiyan arc to Ginyu arc power levels isn't enough to compensate for the amount needed to cover the difference between Kid Buu and Buuhan, in my opinion.
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Jul 9 2018, 02:47 AM
I think he makes it up to Buuhan before losing. The transition from Saiyan arc to Ginyu arc power levels isn't enough to compensate for the amount needed to cover the difference between Kid Buu and Buuhan, in my opinion.
Yeah pretty much. I have Ginyu Arc SSG at 720B and Buuhan at 840B.
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I think he loses horribly. Even in my not so modest numbers I put SSjGod at 5x SSj3, so 2000x.
20,000 (BoDB)
836,000 (BoZ)
16,000,000 (Saiyajin Arc)
160,000,000 (Beginning of Namek Arc)
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Jul 9 2018, 04:30 AM
I think he loses horribly. Even in my not so modest numbers I put SSjGod at 5x SSj3, so 2000x.
20,000 (BoDB)
836,000 (BoZ)
16,000,000 (Saiyajin Arc)
160,000,000 (Beginning of Namek Arc)
how does 5x SSJ3 work? Goku went from as a SSJ3 being inferior to Super Buu and Ultimate Gohan and then he goes SSG and now he is way stronger than a hypothetical SSJ3 Vegetto/

SSG Goku>SSJ3 Vegetto>SSJ Vegetto>>Base Vegetto~Buuhan>Buutenks>Ultimate Gohan>SSJ3 Gotenks>Super Buu>SSJ Gotenks~SSJ3 Goku

Where I'm not entirely sure where Base Vegetto should go given what happened in the manga but at the very least SSJ Vegetto has to be several fold over Buuhan who is probably around 20x SSJ3 Goku and SSJ Vegetto and SSJ3 Vegetto have to be surpassed on top of that.


He has to jump that entire chain so at a minimum it has to be a couple hundred times SSJ3.

Him being stronger than SSJ3 Vegetto is implied by:

1. Goku says that fusion wouldn't work against the heavily suppressed Beerus on King Kai's planet.
2. Goku, upon achieving Super Saiyan god says that he didn't even know that a level of power like that could even exist.
3. The same Beerus that Goku said fusion wasn't enough for, had to power up further in order to fight evenly with SSG Goku

Of course, he knows that a level of power of SSJ3 Vegetto could exist and he knew it couldn't do anything against a heavily suppressed Beerus who was weaker than the one that he fought as a SSG.
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Jul 9 2018, 04:43 AM
FayeTimidea
Jul 9 2018, 04:30 AM
I think he loses horribly. Even in my not so modest numbers I put SSjGod at 5x SSj3, so 2000x.
20,000 (BoDB)
836,000 (BoZ)
16,000,000 (Saiyajin Arc)
160,000,000 (Beginning of Namek Arc)
how does 5x SSJ3 work? Goku went from as a SSJ3 being inferior to Super Buu and Ultimate Gohan and then he goes SSG and now he is way stronger than a hypothetical

SSG Goku>SSJ3 Vegetto>SSJ Vegetto>>Base Vegetto~Buuhan>Buutenks>Ultimate Gohan>SSJ3 Gotenks>Super Buu>SSJ Gotenks~SSJ3 Goku

He has to jump that entire chain so at a minimum it has to be a couple hundred times SSJ3.

Him being stronger than SSJ3 Vegetto is implied by:

1. Goku says that fusion wouldn't work against the heavily suppressed Beerus on King Kai's planet.
2. Goku, upon achieving Super Saiyan god says that he didn't even know that a level of power like that could even exist.
3. The same Beerus that Goku said fusion wasn't enough for, had to power up further in order to fight evenly with SSG Goku

Of course, he knows that a level of power of SSJ3 Vegetto could exist and he knew it couldn't do anything against a heavily suppressed Beerus who was weaker than the one that he fought as a SSG.
Alright, my bad. Goku clears everything.
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Jul 9 2018, 04:51 AM
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Jul 9 2018, 04:43 AM
FayeTimidea
Jul 9 2018, 04:30 AM
I think he loses horribly. Even in my not so modest numbers I put SSjGod at 5x SSj3, so 2000x.
20,000 (BoDB)
836,000 (BoZ)
16,000,000 (Saiyajin Arc)
160,000,000 (Beginning of Namek Arc)
how does 5x SSJ3 work? Goku went from as a SSJ3 being inferior to Super Buu and Ultimate Gohan and then he goes SSG and now he is way stronger than a hypothetical

SSG Goku>SSJ3 Vegetto>SSJ Vegetto>>Base Vegetto~Buuhan>Buutenks>Ultimate Gohan>SSJ3 Gotenks>Super Buu>SSJ Gotenks~SSJ3 Goku

He has to jump that entire chain so at a minimum it has to be a couple hundred times SSJ3.

Him being stronger than SSJ3 Vegetto is implied by:

1. Goku says that fusion wouldn't work against the heavily suppressed Beerus on King Kai's planet.
2. Goku, upon achieving Super Saiyan god says that he didn't even know that a level of power like that could even exist.
3. The same Beerus that Goku said fusion wasn't enough for, had to power up further in order to fight evenly with SSG Goku

Of course, he knows that a level of power of SSJ3 Vegetto could exist and he knew it couldn't do anything against a heavily suppressed Beerus who was weaker than the one that he fought as a SSG.
Alright, my bad. Goku clears everything.
I apologize I didn't mean to just kind of attack you I was just trying to show why I thought it was strange that SSG could be a 5x boost over SSJ3. I wouldn't be opposed to hearing your reasoning for coming up with your figure.
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Jul 9 2018, 04:59 AM
FayeTimidea
Jul 9 2018, 04:51 AM
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Jul 9 2018, 04:43 AM
FayeTimidea
Jul 9 2018, 04:30 AM
I think he loses horribly. Even in my not so modest numbers I put SSjGod at 5x SSj3, so 2000x.
20,000 (BoDB)
836,000 (BoZ)
16,000,000 (Saiyajin Arc)
160,000,000 (Beginning of Namek Arc)
how does 5x SSJ3 work? Goku went from as a SSJ3 being inferior to Super Buu and Ultimate Gohan and then he goes SSG and now he is way stronger than a hypothetical

SSG Goku>SSJ3 Vegetto>SSJ Vegetto>>Base Vegetto~Buuhan>Buutenks>Ultimate Gohan>SSJ3 Gotenks>Super Buu>SSJ Gotenks~SSJ3 Goku

He has to jump that entire chain so at a minimum it has to be a couple hundred times SSJ3.

Him being stronger than SSJ3 Vegetto is implied by:

1. Goku says that fusion wouldn't work against the heavily suppressed Beerus on King Kai's planet.
2. Goku, upon achieving Super Saiyan god says that he didn't even know that a level of power like that could even exist.
3. The same Beerus that Goku said fusion wasn't enough for, had to power up further in order to fight evenly with SSG Goku

Of course, he knows that a level of power of SSJ3 Vegetto could exist and he knew it couldn't do anything against a heavily suppressed Beerus who was weaker than the one that he fought as a SSG.
Alright, my bad. Goku clears everything.
I apologize I didn't mean to just kind of attack you I was just trying to show why I thought it was strange that SSG could be a 5x boost over SSJ3. I wouldn't be opposed to hearing your reasoning for coming up with your figure.
It boils down to the fact that I just hate the power bloat and see 2000x as more than enough. If you want to go with a modest canon multiplier.

Base Vegetto > SSj3 Goku and could actively fight Buuhan in the anime.
Therefore, he's at minimum 1,000x Base Goku
His SSj3 multiplies that by 400x, making him 400,000x Base Goku
That means that SSjGod needs to have a marginal edge over that, and once again we'll give him a 250% edge and put him at 1,000,000x Base

BoDB Goku - 10,000,0000 (Miscalculation on my part. He'd lose. Miscalculated as 100,000,000)
BoZ Goku - 480,000,000
Saiyajin Arc - 8,000,000,000
BoNA - 80,000,000,000

Again this may be up to interpretation from individual to individual, but I put Suppressed Cell, Kid Buu, and Buuhan all within those ranges in my power levels. My numbers tend to be very compact and modest, and play on the fact that small, relative differences in power down to ~10-20% have decided fights in DBZ before.
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I only have SSG as a Base x 10,000 multiplier.

He wouldn't be able to beat anybody.
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